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... I wondered if anyone knows the source then that the author is talking about when he says that Bidembach described himself coming from Dagersheim and his family being from Wurttemberg? ...
In the article on page 47, the author writes: "Wie oben dargelegt ..." (= "As stated above...")
That means you should find the source on one of the previous pages.
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... And is the lawsuit against the surgeon available anywhere to see the names of the cousins involved in it?
No, nobody knows the names of the cousins.
And, by the way, a "lawsuit" hadn't been filed. The surgeon Lorenz Kraft in Esslingen treated the goldsmith Hans Wirtemberger, but he died anyway. The treatment by the surgeon was therefore useless. Because of this, the cousins didn't want to pay the medical bill.
Before his death the goldsmith Hans Wirtemberger had already paid 9 Gulden and 40 Kreuzer, as down payment, for a treatment to save him from dying. After the death, the surgeon demanded a remaining payment of 10 Gulden. Obviously the goldsmith had no living wife, children or siblings. Therefore the cousins were supposed to pay the bill.
To imagine the worth of 10 Gulden: the annual basic salary, the surgeon Lorenz Kraft received from the city of Esslingen, was 15 Gulden.
source: https://books.google.de/books?id=tqR...lingen&f=false
The cousins asked the city council of Esslingen to help not to have to pay the surgeon's bill.
Unfortunately, we do not know the end of the story.
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I just note that on the issue with the surgeon it says "The original letter of appeal can be found in the city archive of Esslingen. There is no information on how the issue ended." I wondered if that's available for public viewing.
The text of the petition to the city council seems to be printed in this book, and you can read it immediately:
https://archive.org/details/StrohAerztlicheBewerbungen
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Correction: it was a petition (letter of appeal) to the state government, and the state government delegated the city of Esslingen to handle the case.

I have attached, the text the cousins wrote, here:
(as not being German native, you won't understand the text)
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You'll not find any new information in the original text.
The letter is signed with the words "Hanne Wirtembergers gelassne erben"
Translated: "Hanne Wirtemberger's heirs"
No names.
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Correction: it was a petition (letter of appeal) to the state government, and the state government delegated the city of Esslingen to handle the case ....
The petition is addressed to the governor the Holy Roman Empire in Wuerttemberg due to the fact, that Esslingen is a free imperial city (= Reichsstadt). The duke of Wuerttemberg was not the ruler of the city of Esslingen. So, the governor of the Holy Roman Empire - the deputy of the Kaiser in Wuerttemberg - was the responsible authority, not the duke.
The governor (= Statthalter) then passed on the case to the city.

It's a bit like D.C. (Washington), which is not part of Maryland.
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Thank you very much you guys, for all the help. Do you think the connection is reasonable, then? Johannes mentioning his ancestors coming from Dagersheim, the 16th century tree mentioning an ancestor Hans Wirtemberger, and a goldsmith Hans Wirtemberger (son of H.W. Sr) dying and leaving an inheritance to cousins and J.B. going to Wurrtemberg to collect his inheritance from a relative?
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... J.B. going to Wurrtemberg to collect his inheritance from a relative?
No. J.B.'s motives for the migrations have to been seen in connection with the political situation.
J.B. and his father J.B. were loyal to Ulrich, the duke of Wuerttemberg.
Note! -> his mother Margaretha was the "second cousin" of duke Ulrich: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-...hnen&id=I20260

But the duke was forced to leave his duchy in 1519. The reasons for that can be read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duchy_...7s_first_reign
Philip, the Landgrave of Hessia, was a friend of duke Ulrich, and also Protestant. Philip helped by giving jobs to the Protestant families, which were loyal to the duke and therefore also forced to leave Wuerttemberg.
Therefore, J.B. lived in exile in Hessia until 1534 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrich...mberg#In_exile

Duke Ulrich came back to Wuerttemberg in 1534 and introduced the Reformation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation
For that he needed loyal Protestant priests. That is one reason why Eberhard Bidembach studied theology in 1542.
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... Johannes mentioning his ancestors coming from Dagersheim, the 16th century tree mentioning an ancestor Hans Wirtemberger ...
This is Hans Wirtemberger, named "der Ehrbarmann von Tagersheim" (= Dagersheim) --> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-...hnen&id=I20259
It is the grandfather of J.B.
The first wife of Hans Wirtemberger is named as Barbara KALTMAYER
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some differents here:
https://forum.ahnenforschung.net/sho...3&postcount=10
but he names sources
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